the other side

[DanSE4]

I'm not getting into evaluating every post that was made on that thread (the one I bloody missed) or commenting on one persons insults & anothers threats.

Bottom line as far as I'm concerned, any new member who joins does well to keep a low profile for a while & become a little more established before getting into the moody side of debates. If it had been another long standing member against Ben that night, I'm sure no-one would've been silenced as we do see our fair share of "heated debates" with far worse insults thrown around. Unfortunately though it was a new member & the majority will stick together in that scenario.

[RobbieV]

I'm not getting into evaluating every post that was made on that thread (the one I bloody missed) or commenting on one persons insults & anothers threats.

Bottom line as far as I'm concerned, any new member who joins does well to keep a low profile for a while & become a little more established before getting into the moody side of debates. If it had been another long standing member against Ben that night, I'm sure no-one would've been silenced as we do see our fair share of "heated debates" with far worse insults thrown around. Unfortunately though it was a new member & the majority will stick together in that scenario.

Thing is it wasn't a debate, a question was asked !

Is this the way to treat potential new members to a site ?

[v6 steve]

I'm not getting into evaluating every post that was made on that thread (the one I bloody missed) or commenting on one persons insults & anothers threats.

Bottom line as far as I'm concerned, any new member who joins does well to keep a low profile for a while & become a little more established before getting into the moody side of debates. If it had been another long standing member against Ben that night, I'm sure no-one would've been silenced as we do see our fair share of "heated debates" with far worse insults thrown around. Unfortunately though it was a new member & the majority will stick together in that scenario.

iv been a member on .com for over 3 years just because i haven got a large post count dosnt mean i havent been round for some time

[tazz666]

so surely both individuals are to blame and both should be given the same punishment ,whether they are a new member or a long standing member
as what you are saying is if you are a longstanding member you can post what you want and nothing done about it, but if you are a newbie your point of view is worthless and not relavent,?

[tazz666]

Oh looks like Danse4 has gone without answering what i think was a reasonable question,
hay ho

[DanSE4]

Lol. Yeah, I expected this but I'm here more as a point that the .com admin team ain't actually a bad bunch. Apologies, haven't tried using the "quote system" here yet so I'll have to go like this for now.

Robbie. You right, there was a "question" that did seem to be either evaded or ignored. However, the persistance by Steve in having this question answered ultimately resulted in the BAC topic being started & IMO, provoked things further. Hopefully you read my topic regarding the treatment of new members in the senior lounge & therefore should know I'm opposed to unjustified abuse towards them.

Taz. No, BAC received no warning. As I've mentioned previously, if this were between two long standing members (many of which we've become accustomed to throwing far more abusive insults at each other) it's unlikely that anyone would have been warned. More a case of "go to bed, get over it & we'll talk about something else tomorrow".

Steve, from what I can understand from the members & most of the Mods, you're not recognised as a long standing member (post count or not) & I for one would've viewed you as a new member. Should I have been present during that thread I'd likely have suggested that you drop it because the outcome was looking worse as the thread went on.

I'm gonna' go get a job with either Greenpeace or the UN now!

[tazz666]

so did both members get the same punishment?

[DanSE4]

Taz, I answered that to you direct in my second to last post.

[RobbieV]

It should not make any difference if you are a long standing member or a newbie, Abusive behavior will not be tolerated as defined in your *topic* on .com which should have been read by all the .com mod team.

But it clearly shows that it is tolerated and allowed and puts .com in a bad light, Future potential new members will be put off by this attitude and go else where. The Calibra is getting old and new members are getting hard to find especially with the amount of *Vaux* forums out there.

[tazz666]

sorry you did answer, so the answer is no, well that is surely wrong, as both individuals were in the wrong so both should be given the same punishment,?
and im sorry if someone insulted my family i would most probably take the same action and threaten the person who insulted my family, put it this way if someone came up to you in the pub and insulted your family would you not retaliate?
both individuals are in the wrong both should recieve the same , no biased should be shown

[DanSE4]

sorry you did answer, so the answer is no, well that is surely wrong, as both individuals were in the wrong so both should be given the same punishment,?

Ok, I put it you then.

A pathetic argument breaks out here between a long standing member (however controversial that member may be) that most other members have had a many conversations with & a "newbie" (or newbie in the fact that they are unrecognised as a long standing member by most) with insults & threats being thrown around (and home addresses, although incorrect being posted in public view).

Sorry, but I don't believe for one minute that the long standing member would receive the same treatment as the other who is being perceived as a gobby newbie.

[v6 steve]

sorry you did answer, so the answer is no, well that is surely wrong, as both individuals were in the wrong so both should be given the same punishment,?

Ok, I put it you then.

A pathetic argument breaks out here between a long standing member (however controversial that member may be) that most other members have had a many conversations with & a "newbie" (or newbie in the fact that they are unrecognised as a long standing member by most) with insults & threats being thrown around (and home addresses, although incorrect being posted in public view).

Sorry, but I don't believe for one minute that the long standing member would receive the same treatment as the other who is being perceived as a gobby newbie.

for one if that happend on this site the other members wouldn't have started spaming the thread about board games ect and if the long standing member said some of the things that BAC said the mods on here would have lock the thread and warned him, i know this for a fact as not so long ago i was warned be MR V and Mark1 for somthing i said to a newbie that only came on here to wind me up,

[RobbieV]

Dan so it seems i can post abusive behavior and treat newbies as s**t or anybody else for that matter, because i'm a long standing member on .com (join around beginning of 2002)

[DanSE4]

for one if that happend on this site the other members wouldn't have started spaming the thread about board games ect and if the long standing member said some of the things that BAC said the mods on here would have lock the thread and warned him, i know this for a fact as not so long ago i was warned be MR V and Mark1 for somthing i said to a newbie that only came on here to wind me up,

There is a massive difference between the sites, a quick nose around here confirms that to me.

Whether one is right or wrong is a matter of opinion. I personally found the "board games" etc assisted in turning a hostile thread into something a little more amusing but that is my opinion & don't expect everyone to agree.

As much as I share the Calibra as a common interest (mine ain't too bad!) I also enjoy the banter on .com. I've done my fair share of moderating due to newbies being given a hard time but I honestly think you went on too much when the SE2 & Turbo crap started. You'd have done far better just to ignore it & posted a good technical thread with plenty of pictures of your car.

By the way, does "blackcarbonadder" & Mrs Miggins mean anything to you!

[v6 steve]

Dan so it seems i can post abusive behavior and treat newbies as s**t or anybody else for that matter, because i'm a long standing member on .com (join around beginning of 2002)

can i do it on here then Mr V please