The overall plan
right! well this is interesting...
After a load of electricians decided that its too big a job to come out to (and since i cant move the car) we've had to take a proactive approach to car electrics :p
first off i tried with the lead off which we thought might have had to go to -ve...
nothing happened, no lights on the dash etc etc.
secondly i tried with it back on positive and only turning the ignition to on...
lights back on...
thirdly i tried with it at negative for a short amount of time...
nothing again.
back to +ve lights back on.
Now the armoured cables must be positive so that means that the wiring we tried must have been correct in the first place.
After a good look around there doesn't seem to be any burnt wires or casing
now we know where the wires were meant to go i tried the starter again.
The lights on the dash dimmed again which means the ignition switch is recognising the switch. However no solenoid click. After removing the altenator fan cowling (an absolute pain in the *** with the engine in...) I thought the earthing wire looked like it had exploded!
However it was just me being dumb
The earthing wire has a white sheathing with black bits on and i found this out when i looked at my spare starter motor
At the weekend me and my dad will test the loom for power and if theres power to the starter then its definitely the starter motor gone. If not there maybe a break in the engine loom.
Both are a nightmare job but personally im hoping for the starter motor gone as its a lot easier
The fact the dash still lights up and that there was no smoke leads me to believe that because there was no starter motor movement on the ignition, i might have held it on for too long and it maybe got a little hot.
This should mean however that the ecu should be ok
Will find out more at the weekend
After a load of electricians decided that its too big a job to come out to (and since i cant move the car) we've had to take a proactive approach to car electrics :p
first off i tried with the lead off which we thought might have had to go to -ve...
nothing happened, no lights on the dash etc etc.
secondly i tried with it back on positive and only turning the ignition to on...
lights back on...
thirdly i tried with it at negative for a short amount of time...
nothing again.
back to +ve lights back on.
Now the armoured cables must be positive so that means that the wiring we tried must have been correct in the first place.
After a good look around there doesn't seem to be any burnt wires or casing
now we know where the wires were meant to go i tried the starter again.
The lights on the dash dimmed again which means the ignition switch is recognising the switch. However no solenoid click. After removing the altenator fan cowling (an absolute pain in the *** with the engine in...) I thought the earthing wire looked like it had exploded!
However it was just me being dumb
The earthing wire has a white sheathing with black bits on and i found this out when i looked at my spare starter motor
At the weekend me and my dad will test the loom for power and if theres power to the starter then its definitely the starter motor gone. If not there maybe a break in the engine loom.
Both are a nightmare job but personally im hoping for the starter motor gone as its a lot easier
The fact the dash still lights up and that there was no smoke leads me to believe that because there was no starter motor movement on the ignition, i might have held it on for too long and it maybe got a little hot.
This should mean however that the ecu should be ok
Will find out more at the weekend
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fraggie
v6 steve wrote:PS. Any V6 owners know how the lower plastic bit sits on the alternator fan ducting because if i jam it under the slam panel either way up it wont fit on the ducting!
Ive got the same problem mate hope some one knows how it goes in
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oh by the way, it goes open side up (so the flat side is on the left) and you need to tilt the rad forward to put it in and then redo up the rad
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fraggie
ok folks, this saturday me and my dad will make a big final attempt at getting the engine running but if replacing the starter doesn't work or we cant find any broken wires then ill be needing the help of a friendly auto electrician. All the ones around here all say they wont do the job outside of thier workshop... but i cant get it to thier workshop and i dont fancy being bent over and shafted by the cost (ive spent too much already).
If any kind electrician in the Nottingham area wouldn't mind helping out for a little money (negotiable ) then you'd make my day...
if we cant get it going im going to seriously have to consider getting all the bits off it and breaking it as i need a car desperately now.
Hopefully if its a simple job on saturday ill be posting back with good news but if not then any help would be extremely appreciated
Cheers folks!
Bill
If any kind electrician in the Nottingham area wouldn't mind helping out for a little money (negotiable
) then you'd make my day...
if we cant get it going im going to seriously have to consider getting all the bits off it and breaking it as i need a car desperately now.
Hopefully if its a simple job on saturday ill be posting back with good news but if not then any help would be extremely appreciated
Cheers folks!
Bill
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fraggie
Basically in a few lines...
Old engine headgasket gone (1994 engine in 1994 car)
got new engine, engine started from 1996 car.
no click from starter motor on turn of key,
with jump leads on (thought the battery might have been dead) when held on ignition small amount of smoke (think ignition switch overheating) but lights on dash still light up / go out when turned to position two.
Thinking either broken wire to starter or dodgy starter...
if not it could be dodgy ecu or anything! (Hence need of electrician)
That pretty much sums it up
Old engine headgasket gone (1994 engine in 1994 car)
got new engine, engine started from 1996 car.
no click from starter motor on turn of key,
with jump leads on (thought the battery might have been dead) when held on ignition small amount of smoke (think ignition switch overheating) but lights on dash still light up / go out when turned to position two.
Thinking either broken wire to starter or dodgy starter...
if not it could be dodgy ecu or anything! (Hence need of electrician)
That pretty much sums it up
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fraggie
hmm good approach. Thing is when ive tried starting it after the smoke the dash lights still dim and there is no smoke, i think it was an overheating ignition switch from holding it on too long when it wouldn't start. That coupled with the fact i can find no melted wires seems to point to the starter motor / engine loom.
If the ecu was nipples north i wouldnt have thought that the lights would come on and go out on the dash (but im not discounting it)
If the starter testing doesn't go well on saturday we shall try your method matey
Cheers for all the help, much appreciated
Bill
If the ecu was nipples north i wouldnt have thought that the lights would come on and go out on the dash (but im not discounting it)
If the starter testing doesn't go well on saturday we shall try your method matey
Cheers for all the help, much appreciated
Bill
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fraggie
right! eventful day today and a little closer to getting it started!
First off i'd like to apologise for a very small amount of pictures today, it was a very packed day and the camera hardly came out.
First off I got the car on its temporary back wheels so the front could be raised for the investigation...
Well as you all know the key was turned a couple of weeks ago to no avail!
Today we tested the wiring on the car and found the wiring to the starter motor to be fine! This meant a dodgy starter / solenoid! Luckily i had a spare and after testing that we found it was fine.
As some people here may know the starter motor on the V6 is an absolute arse of a job to change whilst the engine is in the car. The altenator has to come off etc, its not a fun job!
Anyway a few hours later and everythings ready for startup mk2...
The engine turns over but doesn't fire
As you all know 3 things make an engine fire.. air fuel and ignition.
After taking off the fuel lines we found them to be bone dry and no pressure was building.. after some more testing we found the fuel pump was knackered!
Quick phonecall to the motorfactors... 113 quid plus vat A quick phonecall to carl from Forvaux and a second hand working one for a tenner 
Got back and got that put on, we get fuel pressure but its still not firing
Took out one of the spark plugs and hooked it up / earthed it and turned the engine over to show no spark
As it was getting late there wasn't much time left but i had a distribution pack spare so we changed that over but still no spark.
Thats where its been left tonight. Started at 7am! Ill have to get a proper mechanic to trace the lack of spark now as I dont have the kit to be able to test it (unless anybody has some nifty methods )
At least its getting closer!
Cheers
Bill
First off i'd like to apologise for a very small amount of pictures today, it was a very packed day and the camera hardly came out.
First off I got the car on its temporary back wheels so the front could be raised for the investigation...
Well as you all know the key was turned a couple of weeks ago to no avail!
Today we tested the wiring on the car and found the wiring to the starter motor to be fine! This meant a dodgy starter / solenoid! Luckily i had a spare and after testing that we found it was fine.
As some people here may know the starter motor on the V6 is an absolute arse of a job to change whilst the engine is in the car. The altenator has to come off etc, its not a fun job!
Anyway a few hours later and everythings ready for startup mk2...
The engine turns over but doesn't fire
As you all know 3 things make an engine fire.. air fuel and ignition.
After taking off the fuel lines we found them to be bone dry and no pressure was building.. after some more testing we found the fuel pump was knackered!
Quick phonecall to the motorfactors... 113 quid plus vat
A quick phonecall to carl from Forvaux and a second hand working one for a tenner
Got back and got that put on, we get fuel pressure but its still not firing
Took out one of the spark plugs and hooked it up / earthed it and turned the engine over to show no spark
As it was getting late there wasn't much time left but i had a distribution pack spare so we changed that over but still no spark.
Thats where its been left tonight. Started at 7am! Ill have to get a proper mechanic to trace the lack of spark now as I dont have the kit to be able to test it (unless anybody has some nifty methods
)
At least its getting closer!
Cheers
Bill
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fraggie
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